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		<title>By: Paul Aitken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Aitken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave,
Just came across this post while looking at some of the new stuff on your blog, which, by the way is excellent and is making me feel overwhelmed with all of the things that I would like to do.
I just want to say that I agree with you that it is important we have interactions with our students in an online environment yet ensure that our private lives remain exactly that - private. 
To that end, as you may or may not remember when we had this conversation, I have set up a second student-only profile. I keep the privacy settings high and really do not put anything up on this site. I don`t even post photo`s of myself. The only photo`s of me are one`s that students have taken. I am also in full agreement that we should not solicit student friendships - if they want to add us as a friend that is ok.
Again I think it is useful as I had a student last year who had put up her mom`s credit cards as a profile pic - obviously without thinking of any consequences. It is for instances like this and others described in your post that we should instruct our students on the appropriate uses of technology and sites like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave,<br />
Just came across this post while looking at some of the new stuff on your blog, which, by the way is excellent and is making me feel overwhelmed with all of the things that I would like to do.<br />
I just want to say that I agree with you that it is important we have interactions with our students in an online environment yet ensure that our private lives remain exactly that &#8211; private.<br />
To that end, as you may or may not remember when we had this conversation, I have set up a second student-only profile. I keep the privacy settings high and really do not put anything up on this site. I don`t even post photo`s of myself. The only photo`s of me are one`s that students have taken. I am also in full agreement that we should not solicit student friendships &#8211; if they want to add us as a friend that is ok.<br />
Again I think it is useful as I had a student last year who had put up her mom`s credit cards as a profile pic &#8211; obviously without thinking of any consequences. It is for instances like this and others described in your post that we should instruct our students on the appropriate uses of technology and sites like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post as well.  Happy to have your blog in my reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post as well.  Happy to have your blog in my reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Truss</title>
		<link>http://pairadimes.davidtruss.com/facing-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-1482</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Lesley,

It is always great to hear about teachers addressing networking and safety in their classes, and doing so in a meaningful way.

When an un-knowledgeable student is the expert in the family, that&#039;s a bit unsettling... but what I find even more unsettling is when that student, as the expert, has full reign to do what they want online, and there is no dialogue between them and their parents. 

Your final comment about what a concern cyberbullying is solidifies my stance that we &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to be online with students. That said, I totally respect your informed decision not to &#039;friend&#039; your students on Facebook... &lt;i&gt;We don&#039;t have an individual obligation&lt;/i&gt; or a necessity to be there/everywhere online with them, and you probably have more of an impact in educating your students about online safety and cyberbullying than most teachers and parents do.

Way to go Lesley!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Lesley,</p>
<p>It is always great to hear about teachers addressing networking and safety in their classes, and doing so in a meaningful way.</p>
<p>When an un-knowledgeable student is the expert in the family, that&#8217;s a bit unsettling&#8230; but what I find even more unsettling is when that student, as the expert, has full reign to do what they want online, and there is no dialogue between them and their parents. </p>
<p>Your final comment about what a concern cyberbullying is solidifies my stance that we <i>need</i> to be online with students. That said, I totally respect your informed decision not to &#8216;friend&#8217; your students on Facebook&#8230; <i>We don&#8217;t have an individual obligation</i> or a necessity to be there/everywhere online with them, and you probably have more of an impact in educating your students about online safety and cyberbullying than most teachers and parents do.</p>
<p>Way to go Lesley!</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley Edwards</title>
		<link>http://pairadimes.davidtruss.com/facing-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, David. Each year I provide lessons on Internet safety to the incoming gr. 8s.  I have a Facebook account so that I can walk students through setting up the privacy settings on FB.  It concerns me that:
- at least 1/2 the class say their parents consider the child to be the computer expert in the family.
- at least 1/2 have no idea that the privacy settings exist in FB let alone use them.  They truly believe that only their friends can see their pages.  They don&#039;t understand how the network works.

I also show them the section of the user agreement that states that while you own any content you put on FB, FB asserts the right to using it pretty much any way they see fit.

I ask them how they would feel if their grandma were to see their FB page.  I stress that &#039;what goes online stays online.&#039;

One activity I do is to pass out current news articles about Internet safety or cyber bullying and ask the students what the problem in the story is and how they could prevent it from happening to them.

For the most part they are eager to hear what I have to say and many comment that they will change the way they present themselves online.  
I don&#039;t accept students as friends on FB.  I really don&#039;t want to put myself in the position of having to do something about an activity a student may reveal online.

Last year in our school the counsellors reported that the #1 problem that students came to them about was cyberbullying.  Scary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, David. Each year I provide lessons on Internet safety to the incoming gr. 8s.  I have a Facebook account so that I can walk students through setting up the privacy settings on FB.  It concerns me that:<br />
- at least 1/2 the class say their parents consider the child to be the computer expert in the family.<br />
- at least 1/2 have no idea that the privacy settings exist in FB let alone use them.  They truly believe that only their friends can see their pages.  They don&#8217;t understand how the network works.</p>
<p>I also show them the section of the user agreement that states that while you own any content you put on FB, FB asserts the right to using it pretty much any way they see fit.</p>
<p>I ask them how they would feel if their grandma were to see their FB page.  I stress that &#8216;what goes online stays online.&#8217;</p>
<p>One activity I do is to pass out current news articles about Internet safety or cyber bullying and ask the students what the problem in the story is and how they could prevent it from happening to them.</p>
<p>For the most part they are eager to hear what I have to say and many comment that they will change the way they present themselves online.<br />
I don&#8217;t accept students as friends on FB.  I really don&#8217;t want to put myself in the position of having to do something about an activity a student may reveal online.</p>
<p>Last year in our school the counsellors reported that the #1 problem that students came to them about was cyberbullying.  Scary!</p>
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		<title>By: Silvana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awwww shucks you are just too nice a guy.......you sure you are Canadian.?...just kidding!

ps Classroom 2.0 is not what I thought it would be...funny how you idealise what something will be like only to find the reality is something completely different....I blame that on computers.....
it is 7.30 pm here cold and raining...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awwww shucks you are just too nice a guy&#8230;&#8230;.you sure you are Canadian.?&#8230;just kidding!</p>
<p>ps Classroom 2.0 is not what I thought it would be&#8230;funny how you idealise what something will be like only to find the reality is something completely different&#8230;.I blame that on computers&#8230;..<br />
it is 7.30 pm here cold and raining&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Truss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we will need to agree to disagree on this point Silvana.

My experience with students&#039; ideas of &#039;friendship&#039; online is that Grade 6 and under seem to relate it to real-life friends and as students get older they see it simply as a connection. There is some teaching that can go on here, isn&#039;t there?

I don&#039;t consider myself any closer to Facebook friends that are students, and while I totally agree with you that the student sending the message to me did not make a distinction &lt;i&gt;that time&lt;/i&gt;, I have not received an inappropriate message of any kind since... lesson learned?

As for the bullying being caught &#039;after the fact&#039; you are correct, yet without an adult presence how far would it have gone before an intervention? In my first two examples the bullying could have been considerably worse if teachers were not there... and how many more students would have been drawn into the mud-slinging because there was no one there to interject? It goes back to my cartoon, often when the adult is unaware, the bully wins. 

So yes Silvana, we must agree to disagree. I know that there are teachers and other adults that do not act appropriately online, but in my eyes, if we aren&#039;t there too, then they are the ones that get to influence and lead by example. Computers and the internet are not going away, so I think we should be there role modelling what is appropriate, just as we do in school hallways, and shopping malls and other public places. 

ps
Your busy schedule makes me more appreciative of the time you have taken to comment and respond. No apologies necessary.
Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we will need to agree to disagree on this point Silvana.</p>
<p>My experience with students&#8217; ideas of &#8216;friendship&#8217; online is that Grade 6 and under seem to relate it to real-life friends and as students get older they see it simply as a connection. There is some teaching that can go on here, isn&#8217;t there?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself any closer to Facebook friends that are students, and while I totally agree with you that the student sending the message to me did not make a distinction <i>that time</i>, I have not received an inappropriate message of any kind since&#8230; lesson learned?</p>
<p>As for the bullying being caught &#8216;after the fact&#8217; you are correct, yet without an adult presence how far would it have gone before an intervention? In my first two examples the bullying could have been considerably worse if teachers were not there&#8230; and how many more students would have been drawn into the mud-slinging because there was no one there to interject? It goes back to my cartoon, often when the adult is unaware, the bully wins. </p>
<p>So yes Silvana, we must agree to disagree. I know that there are teachers and other adults that do not act appropriately online, but in my eyes, if we aren&#8217;t there too, then they are the ones that get to influence and lead by example. Computers and the internet are not going away, so I think we should be there role modelling what is appropriate, just as we do in school hallways, and shopping malls and other public places. </p>
<p>ps<br />
Your busy schedule makes me more appreciative of the time you have taken to comment and respond. No apologies necessary.<br />
Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Silvana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having anticipated this response( not saying that Canadians are predictable or anything)  some issues need to be seperated...firstly are you on face book because you feel you should be there or because your managers tell you not to be....secondly if it is not appropriate for a 40 plus man to be &quot;friends&quot; with a teenage student offline why is it online?  If you are claiming that the definition of friends on face book is different from real time, you are out of touch with your studentts After a series of debates online and off teenagers tell me explicitly that its the same thing for them.....so adult reality is not their reality, hence the student sending you what she sent to lots of her friends...she was not making the distinction either.
You really think teachers online are role models hmmmmm I think if anyone actually did some research they would probably find that teachers online can only affect the students they know.  Technology blurs everything and aids miscommunication of all types. 
On a personal note I have been on this internet long enough to see plenty of teachers behaving in a far more unpleasant, and inappropriate  manner than any student.  I do not think you can assume that because one is a teacher one is automatically a &quot;good person&quot; 
I am not saying teachers should not be on facebook,  socialiy networking.  I am saying it does not appear prudent to socially network with children, for whatever reason.  Finally your examples of teachers tackling cyber bullies occurred after the fact, just as it would in real time....in effect you cannot police facebook.....unless you take total control of the system..... 
....I think we will always disagree on this...

ps
can I also take this opportunity to apologise for my typos on the previous post.  I decided quite a while back that I would only ever multi task on here, that is do several other tasks not just sit in front of a screen....so yes my point, I was cooking dinner, doing the laundry and writing class notes, as well as responding to your post so hmmm typos happen!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having anticipated this response( not saying that Canadians are predictable or anything)  some issues need to be seperated&#8230;firstly are you on face book because you feel you should be there or because your managers tell you not to be&#8230;.secondly if it is not appropriate for a 40 plus man to be &#8220;friends&#8221; with a teenage student offline why is it online?  If you are claiming that the definition of friends on face book is different from real time, you are out of touch with your studentts After a series of debates online and off teenagers tell me explicitly that its the same thing for them&#8230;..so adult reality is not their reality, hence the student sending you what she sent to lots of her friends&#8230;she was not making the distinction either.<br />
You really think teachers online are role models hmmmmm I think if anyone actually did some research they would probably find that teachers online can only affect the students they know.  Technology blurs everything and aids miscommunication of all types.<br />
On a personal note I have been on this internet long enough to see plenty of teachers behaving in a far more unpleasant, and inappropriate  manner than any student.  I do not think you can assume that because one is a teacher one is automatically a &#8220;good person&#8221;<br />
I am not saying teachers should not be on facebook,  socialiy networking.  I am saying it does not appear prudent to socially network with children, for whatever reason.  Finally your examples of teachers tackling cyber bullies occurred after the fact, just as it would in real time&#8230;.in effect you cannot police facebook&#8230;..unless you take total control of the system&#8230;..<br />
&#8230;.I think we will always disagree on this&#8230;</p>
<p>ps<br />
can I also take this opportunity to apologise for my typos on the previous post.  I decided quite a while back that I would only ever multi task on here, that is do several other tasks not just sit in front of a screen&#8230;.so yes my point, I was cooking dinner, doing the laundry and writing class notes, as well as responding to your post so hmmm typos happen!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Truss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for the great comments!

I&#039;d like to take a moment to respond specifically to Silvana&#039;s comment:

I&#039;m not sure that teacher presence on Facebook will prevent bullying, rather that it will encourage &lt;i&gt;more appropriate behaviour&lt;/i&gt; in a very public place. It will also give students some role models that they can look up to and perhaps even turn to if they are bullied. 

I&#039;m not sure about &#039;bluffing&#039;, but I know that in schools we encourage friends not to push and shove each other in our halls because it can be misinterpreted as bullying and can lead to more open aggression... And so if a kid is &#039;bluffing&#039; online, I&#039;d rather get rid of that public behaviour as well.

I am not advocating for outward &#039;policing&#039; of Facebook, but rather that teachers have a right to be there, and a right to accept students as friends (&lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; they are invited and &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; they choose to do so). That said, if we are there, we have a responsibility to act appropriately and deal with behaviour that we come across and deem inappropriate. 

As for adult predators, I think this is an issue that we should all warn students about and we can do that best with an online presence ourselves. Again, if we are online, and parents are too, then students (our children) may not be afraid to discuss online concerns with us. If they are there behind parent&#039;s backs and behind teacher&#039;s backs, they certainly won&#039;t look to these adults when they have an online issue.

I&#039;m not pretending that teachers being on Facebook is going to rid cyberspace of bullying or other issues, but I am certain that if we aren&#039;t online &lt;i&gt;engaging meaningfully&lt;/i&gt; with students, then we are counting on their peers to lead them... and that&#039;s when online safety becomes a legitimate concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for the great comments!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to take a moment to respond specifically to Silvana&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that teacher presence on Facebook will prevent bullying, rather that it will encourage <i>more appropriate behaviour</i> in a very public place. It will also give students some role models that they can look up to and perhaps even turn to if they are bullied. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about &#8216;bluffing&#8217;, but I know that in schools we encourage friends not to push and shove each other in our halls because it can be misinterpreted as bullying and can lead to more open aggression&#8230; And so if a kid is &#8216;bluffing&#8217; online, I&#8217;d rather get rid of that public behaviour as well.</p>
<p>I am not advocating for outward &#8216;policing&#8217; of Facebook, but rather that teachers have a right to be there, and a right to accept students as friends (<i>if</i> they are invited and <i>if</i> they choose to do so). That said, if we are there, we have a responsibility to act appropriately and deal with behaviour that we come across and deem inappropriate. </p>
<p>As for adult predators, I think this is an issue that we should all warn students about and we can do that best with an online presence ourselves. Again, if we are online, and parents are too, then students (our children) may not be afraid to discuss online concerns with us. If they are there behind parent&#8217;s backs and behind teacher&#8217;s backs, they certainly won&#8217;t look to these adults when they have an online issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not pretending that teachers being on Facebook is going to rid cyberspace of bullying or other issues, but I am certain that if we aren&#8217;t online <i>engaging meaningfully</i> with students, then we are counting on their peers to lead them&#8230; and that&#8217;s when online safety becomes a legitimate concern.</p>
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		<title>By: The 21st Century Teacher - Frank's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 21st Century Teacher - Frank's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post David, these things need serious attention, but not in a big brother way, of course. In a nurturing supportive way. I would also venture to guess that misbehaving kids (bullies) are more a reflection of their families than their friends. If we go upstream far enough, we can find the sources of disharmony and dysfunction and handle it there before it gets further downstream and avert reclamation activities. So I guess that I am saying that rather to focus on policing (let&#039;s focus there too during &quot;cleanup&quot; and I know you said that we should be there by choice not requirement, good stuff!) that we should go back a few steps and start addressing the real root societal issues that lead us down this path.

Dysfunctional activities are born of some hurt or unfulfilled frozen need from the dark reaches of one&#039;s past.... rarely connected to the present situation, but of course impacting it. So our responsibility as educators does much deeper than dealing with just the present reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post David, these things need serious attention, but not in a big brother way, of course. In a nurturing supportive way. I would also venture to guess that misbehaving kids (bullies) are more a reflection of their families than their friends. If we go upstream far enough, we can find the sources of disharmony and dysfunction and handle it there before it gets further downstream and avert reclamation activities. So I guess that I am saying that rather to focus on policing (let&#8217;s focus there too during &#8220;cleanup&#8221; and I know you said that we should be there by choice not requirement, good stuff!) that we should go back a few steps and start addressing the real root societal issues that lead us down this path.</p>
<p>Dysfunctional activities are born of some hurt or unfulfilled frozen need from the dark reaches of one&#8217;s past&#8230;. rarely connected to the present situation, but of course impacting it. So our responsibility as educators does much deeper than dealing with just the present reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use FB with my friends and have several students who are on my friends list.  While it is fun for me, I am very careful about what I put out there because there are students watching my content.  I also use Web 2.0 tools to help my own children be safe.  I want to model for them the proper way to behave online, while watching for ways they can be harmed and do my best to keep my kids away from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use FB with my friends and have several students who are on my friends list.  While it is fun for me, I am very careful about what I put out there because there are students watching my content.  I also use Web 2.0 tools to help my own children be safe.  I want to model for them the proper way to behave online, while watching for ways they can be harmed and do my best to keep my kids away from them.</p>
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